Kassem Mosse - Workshop 08

Why is A1 the same thing as B3 on his album but that track is shortened?

it's a nice little ambient vignette - it's cool that he included it on the album in the form that it is, another perspective from which to hear the track. works well as a nice ambient intro!

what's the the fucking hysteria and hipsterism around this record? Dont get me wrong, its not a bad record, but whats w all the hype around this? dont get it..

It's got a beard.

well said!

Then move on and don't upset yourself. Leave it for those who do get it...get it ?

you are a bit hysteric right now. the a1 is one of my favorite tracks of all time. it is hypnotic, elegant, full of wistfullness and ever since the synthline drops in the last time, a real brain melter! glad i didn't had to spend the 50€ i was willing to pay for it. for me this piece of art is beyond music.

top 10 records of 2000s?

Absolute fucking retards arguing over this record (or any other). There's so much good music out there - don't worry if you don't manage to 'snag' a copy of everything.. Same goes for those who try to impress with their pseudo-intellectual arguments. Just enjoy the music. This is great by the way and not hard to get hard of now or when first came out if you're even slightly on the ball.

*get hold of

It was actually online for five days, and it sold out. Will be back soon.Best regards, Am 11.02.2014 um 18:01

They made it available online as soon as it was received, and it sold out five days later. If you still see records in the shop that is because they have a backlog of online orders. If a record in the shop says 'Offline' that is because the label requested it not be sold on the website. Keep your conspiracy theories and insults to yourself please.

The point of the comparison was not to compare starvation to a lack of available records, but to illustrate how easy it is for people who do have access to something to take that thing for granted (as I fairly clearly laid out before making the point. You're clearly not stupid, so I can only assume you saw my point and purposefully bent your mind around the comparison actually at hand in order to generate ammunition to use against me. Strawman. Poor show.)''Shit happens'' is in itself a horrible phrase; the slogan of the 21st century indolent, pseudo-cynicism that's the root of all evil in society. All facetiousness aside, you didn't even use it correctly. Circumstance based on accident of birth does not fall under the purview of reasonless, unavoidable injustice that should therefore just be forgotten about.As for you ''not trying'' to convince me to praise any institution: you want me to admit being wrong, that Hardwax is in fact great, otherwise you wouldn't have commented in the first place. You said Hardwax has had a profound effect on Berlin's culture for decades, but catering to the small number of freaks (used affectionately) who dig the music they put out is insignificant in a city of ~3.5 million people. That sounds like Evangelism to me. (Hardwax is an institution btw, maybe that's why you're confused.) As for the open forum thing, that's nice, and I respect your right to say whatever you want, but does it really seem wise to ride all guns blazing into a fight that was just winding down?Furthermore, people giving back to their community doesn't annoy me, don't continue with that strawman nonsense, it's simply Hardwax's frustrating business model that annoys me. I appreciate the fact that they're doing something nice for a community that's lucky enough as it is, and that's admirable, to a point. That point is when the community they're giving to becomes saturated and Hardwax are left with plenty of copies of a certain record stuck on their shelves when they could easily shift them (and delight a few people along the way) by putting them online.Finally, pulling out of an argument with ''Done'' or ''I'm done'', or better yet ''Don't bother replying because I won't'' is not sharp or cool, and certainly does not affect the air of certitude you'd like, it just makes you sound like an impertinent child that's taking his ball home because he's losing the game.

Tsirex, you really took it a step further... First of all, comparing the lack of a record shop to starvation is idiotic.I read all of your comments, and all of the comments before that. I know you don't live next to a record store that carries this type of music. Neither do I with the exception of one that rarely carries anything I would even consider buying. Boo-fucking-hoo, shit happens. I posted my comment because this is an open forum and I could care less if you think I was "too late."Furthermore, I wasn't praising or trying to convince you to praise any "institution" so your smartass attempt at trying to teach me something is moot. I was pointing out a fact - the fact that the people responsible for Hardwax are also responsible for a LOT of contribution to their local scene. Just as Sonic Groove did in New York City, Dope Jams, etc. and plenty of other shops today doing the same thing IN THEIR COMMUNITY. Do you understand my point now? Might as well kick the horse's teeth in by now.Sorry if people giving back to their community annoys you. That is pretty fucking selfish in and of itself. Done.

Evangelism - The relaying of a particular set of beliefs about a person, body, or institution, with the goal of conversion.''Hardwax is not just a record shop but a place that has contributed to Berlin's culture for decades''How have I missed the point? It is, after all, ''just'' a record store.By the time you had posted I had already apologised, and not only that but you just repeated everything the other three guys in the thread had already said (albeit in slightly better English), your comment was fairly pointless - hence the ''day late and a dollar short'' idiom.As for my opinion of the ''just go to your local record store'' thing, if you bothered to read my other posts in this thread (a good idea if you ever want to reply to a comment anywhere btw) you'd understand why this attitude annoys me. But, because I'm nice, I'll save you the trouble and recap: There are no record stores where I live. There are many people who have to buy online because they don't live near any ''real'' shops (even more, believe it or not, than there are those who DO live near a decent record store). It is very easy for someone like pajouh or BaBeLo or the people that work at Phonica, who do live near a nice shop to say ''oh there should be more in-store only releases to reward people who come to the shops, why don't more people just come to the shops?'', just like it's easy for a wealthy person to say ''oh food is easy to afford, why don't starving people just buy more food?'' Some people just don't have that privilege, and why should they be prevented from getting their hands on a record just because accident-of-birth puts them somewhere in the world that's oceans away from a decent store?

Evangelism...? Way to miss the point. Don't worry though, I'm sure you'll get your copy soon - it is after all just a record. Jesus...Edit - From an interview with the folks at Phonica: http://thump.vice.com/en_uk/words/phonica-tenth-birthday-compilation"The other thing I think has changed in the last two years is store-only releases. Those are really extreme. They weren't allowed to go on our website - or any website, to be honest. You had to come to the shop. I quite like those, although we have to be careful to make sure we give them out, otherwise they can stay languishing in a box. The reason behind people like Rush Hour doing store only is that they don't want people to forget that the place people have always gone to buy music is the record store. That's why we exist. Don't just sit at home. Go to your local record store, and pick something up that people who just shop online won't have access too."

Give it a rest, m808, you're a day late and a dollar short with your evangelism. It would be nice to think that no one in Berlin had the records and that the copies held offline were sold out in a flash due to overwhelming demand. Unfortunately that's not true: there are, according to the Hardwax regular in one of the other threads, still a good few copies of this, 03, and 12 sitting on the shelves in-store. If the demand isn't there, why not re-allocate them for online sale? It makes no sense from a business, or common decency (i.e. first come first served, sans privilege based on Geography) point of view.

I think the bottom line here is that if the guys at Hardwax choose to hold some copies for physical sale, that is their right to do so. Even if their justification is to make sure locals have a chance at owning a copy, what the hell is wrong with that? As most people here know, Hardwax is not just a record shop but a place that has contributed to Berlin's culture for decades - I personally would find it odd they WOULDN'T hold copies in the shop for this very reason. If I had a record shop in my town with such a reputation, I would hold them in even higher regard for thinking about the people that helped them become what they are now. There is absolutely nothing pretentious about that and is, in my opinion, a way of giving back to _their_ community.

Hey, so I was very annoyed and perhaps I gave Hardwax too much flak. Sorry about that, thanks for getting in touch with Workshop and hopefully it will be available again soon! At least there's a digital release available in the mean time!

ok pls stop blaming Hard wax; it's out of the point- maybe half of the stock was for online sale, other for shop sale.meanwhile i contacted Workshop and the next pressing is on run and should be available in weeks (haven't got any notice if also online but i believe yes)...

Incomprehensibly broken English and an inane, irrelevant reference to a series of books that's been printed in the millions so that everyone can get a copy (Hardwax distros could take a hint...), do you expect me to somehow admit that I'm wrong?As well meaning as your obtuse, ALL-CAPS argument is, some of us (like me) cannot simply stop ''BUYING ONLINE'', because THERE ARE NO RECORD SHOPS WHERE WE LIVE. We're not all so lucky as to easily avail of Hardwax's ''holy grail'' in store stock, like the rarer Workshop records which you wouldn't have a hope in hell of finding online.

thats foolish to think.as the bookstores used harry potter to get readers to their shops for eventually buying some of the other books which the foolish readers didn't even perceived, hardwax uses those holy grail records to get people to their shop and EVENTUALLY DIGG SOME OTHER SHIT INSTEAD OF BUYING ONLINE THROUGH THE SEARCH FIELD!!!111 they should simply remove the search option....

BaBeLo is right, the repress sold out in ~36 hours, and if it was available in store for 5 days it was certainly being kept offline on purpose. As one of the guys in another thread said, Hardwax always keep a good few copies in store specifically to ''make sure the berlin people get served''. It's a conspiracy theory that 9/11 was an inside job; It's a very inconvenient truth that Hardwax make a concerted effort to keep their friends and local ''crew'' (who they perceive as somehow being more entitled than the rest of us) happy, at the expense of other music lovers outside of Berlin.

5 days? i checked it and the info was published on 6th Feb through different media, on 7th in the evening it was already out of stock. how many copies u can sell in less than 2 days?? strange and caused alot of confusion..

Is anybody else very annoyed by the fact that Hardwax have plenty of copies stocked up in the brick and mortar shop, but none online? What they don't seem to realise is that, on a world scale, the vast majority of house & tekkers fans actually live outside Berlin. Shock horror. A sale is a sale no matter who it comes from, business 101. If Hardwax are aware of this then one can only assume they're withholding copies on purpose so that only "der original krew" can buy a copy, most of whom already have the record and will just flog it for a fortune on Discogs. Dickheads.

Nope dude you need to chill out why do you have to own every single record what makes you so entitled?

I thought I was simply complaining, but I've obviously ruffled quite a few feathers here. People are not as thick skinned as they should be; I'm sorry for the offense I caused but I hope you can understand just why I was so put out!

You're out of line because you are insulting people for not giving you what you want. simply that. it is, of course, ok to complain - but that's not what your doing.On the other hand, it's still kind of nice to see you get so passionate about this record. Maybe you'll be really really lucky and can still get a copy! then you can be happy again and appreciate the sun shining and the birds singing and all the beautiful things out there in the world.

I can talk about Hardwax like this because I, and a decent amount of similarly put out people, have a very valid reason to complain. Saying that I'm out of line is ridiculous. I haven't seen this much reverence for an institution since the Catholic Church's heyday.

how can you talk about hardwax like this?you are completely out of line.

I don't think you know what hater means, m808.

Don't be such a hater.

''to make sure that the berlin people get served first''The same Berlin people that get served first every time Hardwax do anything. The same Berlin people who likely have all the Workshop recs already due to Hardwax's horribly pretentious, arrogant, and insular business model. There are no record shops where I live, the only way I can get a hold of these really rare records that I missed out on is if the labels are good enough to repress them and sell them ONLINE. Do you understand my disgruntled state now? Plenty of supply in Berlin where there's not much demand. No supply online where there is loads of demand.

it was definitely a repress. and there is more to come from the rare workshop records being repressed.and as far i know they don't put all copies online. just to make sure that the berlin peopleget served first. that was mentioned in an interview somewhere.yesterday when i was at hardwax the guys told me that also this 8 and 12 will mayberepressed AGAIN. this repress now had an amount of 400 pressings each and theygot totally in trouble with all the online orders on the onlinestore over night.

As far as I know they put all copies for sale online, that's at least where I grabbed a copy two days ago. I guess it was not a real repress, but a warehouse find or sth. After all hardwax's also a local shop and if people were faster buying a copy in the actual store than you online then that's just bad luck. Nothing to blame hardwax for though.

workshop breaks their repress cherry yee ha all good for all the lovers of music!

only a fool wouldnt wait for a repress

commiserate the one who bought the record für 120€.

insane price, i m so sad about

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dicke nummen ! !

kassem mosse's killer ep --- just a classic--- !!!